Mason Conway used to teach at a for-profit university.  Between the students and administration, he was miserable and brought that misery and stress home to his partner David Bjorn.  After the university went bankrupt, Bjorn saw that as an opportunity to push Conway toward a different future — starting his own natural history store.

In this audio snippet, Conway and Bjorn share an intimate conversation in which Bjorn reflects on his role in the start of the Phoenix store, Curious Nature.